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General · 09-04-2005, 04:47 PM

You're forgetting Jason Giambi and his trillion dollar contract.

joek · 09-04-2005, 05:56 PM

All WIN METHOD players.

Porter99 · 09-04-2005, 06:14 PM

So let me get this straight........Your telling me a pitcher that got Pwned in Colorado when he was CLOSING AND STARTING. A reliever that the damn Red Sox never wanted this season. A 35 yr old Rejected DRAY starter and a 38 yr old Starter for the Marlins. Keep Following me here. A 2B that your team had to convert to the OF but hasnt done crap since the WS in which the Yanks lost and Mo Rivera blew it in game 7. Two injury prone starters whos home address reads "15 Day DL" on it. So if these guys are all WIN METHOD crap players. Then I should ask the M's to sign the great Jessie Orosco right now.

joek · 09-04-2005, 07:03 PM

Maybe if M's knew of and or how to use the WIN METHOD, they wouldn't be in last place. Individual stats have nothing to do with WIN METHOD players.

Porter99 · 09-04-2005, 07:52 PM

Sure it would be you to pick on a team everyone knew had a lot of question marks and used 7 catchers and bout 27 pitchers this season. Then again if i had the Drays to beat up on too id be happier. We use to go find a 16 yr old phenom SP method, seemed to work well...

Dam8610 · 09-04-2005, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by joek

Much of the payroll, is a result of rewarding the employees for overwhelming successes for attaining playoffs year after year, winning multiple pennants and multiple WS. These succecces where do to the WIN METHOD. I am not a scout and I do not work for the YANKEES. Get your malicious ficticious story straight. If it was just money, then why hasn't every team that has spent the largest amounts of money reach the playoffs every year. And if it is the 'big market', then why hasn't every 'big market' team made the playoffs every year. Stop being foolish and get a life.

Wow are you stupid. Why must you try to apply absolutes to things? There are very few absolutes in this world, and none of them exist in baseball. Now, since you didn't do it, I'll explain to you why the Yankees had a run of success, and then you'll agree and claim it was your doing.

Back in the early-mid 90s, when the Yankees weren't doing so good, they built a solid farm system, having the likes of Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, etc. coming through it. When they arrived, the team made a few key free agent signings and built a championship caliber team. Then, they made even more good free agent signings, which built their back-to-back-to-back championship teams from 1998-2000. Then, they continued to spend and bloated their payroll. They obtained players like Gary Sheffield, Hideki Matsui, Alex Rodriguez, Kevin Brown, and Randy Johnson. They were all good players at the time, and some of them are still, but with the exception of A-Rod (who is only an overpayed veteran), they're all overpayed, old veterans who are starting to show their age. Then there's Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano, who were beneficiaries of this past offseason's pitching poor Free Agent market. They're both good #3 starters, but they were ridiculously overcompensated for their services, which they now aren't even able to provide. Now the Yankees are realizing what brought them their championships of the late 90s, and are starting to build their farm system again. Maybe they'll continue along that path and build another championship caliber team, but no matter how they do it, it won't be because of the "WIN METHOD", which apparently tries to apply absolutes to an ever changing sport. Anyone or anything who tries to do that will always be an utter failure.

Saber · 09-04-2005, 10:05 PM

That's too much writing to use on a fake.

browntown653 · 09-04-2005, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by realmofotalk

Joek works for Steinbrenner and only Steinbrenner. Hard to believe, but yeah..

Who the hell's Steinbrenner?

Oh, right...

Mr. S

joek · 09-05-2005, 12:45 AM

Mr.S., the greatest, wisest owner in sports today.

Saber · 09-05-2005, 01:50 AM

Mr. S is love. I once saw him walk across a Central Park pond to heal an injured mugger.

Dam8610 · 09-06-2005, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by joek

Mr.S., the greatest, wisest owner in sports today.

You sir, are an idiot. "WIN METHOD - you can't be the best unless you win"

WORST talent evaluation method EVER!

joek · 09-06-2005, 08:43 AM

Your comments exude envy and jealousy. If you WIN a little more, maybe you won't feel so bad.

Dam8610 · 09-06-2005, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by joek

Your comments exude envy and jealousy. If you WIN a little more, maybe you won't feel so bad.

Envy and jealousy? Why would I be envious and/or jealous of a fraud who is stupid enough to expect people to believe his wet dreams?

As for your "talent evaluation method", I stand by my previous comments, because any good talent evaluator knows that a team full of above average players will more often than not beat a team of mostly bad players with 1 or 2 great players.

joek · 09-07-2005, 09:33 AM

Gosh darn, you are now turning GREEN. Accusing someone of being a fraud only implies you are afraid of the truth and unwilling or unable to believe in fact. Accusing someone of being a fraud is the simpletons way of defending his misconceived views.

love_that_reefer · 09-07-2005, 03:33 PM

Calling someone a fraud is from their own beliefs. Til you actually own up and present some "facts", you are still a fraud in a lot of people's minds.