Boy Have Things Changed

[HollywoodLeo]

Do you need a report to suggest it for it to have been fact?

I understand people used to play with injuries, but that still doesn't negate the fact that it could cause him to pitch poorly and he could be better off taking a few games off to let it heal. (IE the DL)

What would you rather have? Your star pitcher back at full health? Or him being able to beat his chest and tell people he's a man because he plays through injuries?

[love_that_reefer]

Is that a joke? No one mentioned it so yes there has to be a report about it to make me believe it. Since there was not one, I don't believe it and have to think this is very recent!! A report on a broken nail is as close to a fact you can get.

I would rather have my "star" pitcher (which he's not) out there pitching every fifth day unless its something serious. He has four days to get used to it. Heal? They grow back! Put a tight band-aid on it!! Have to learn to pitch through pain! He'll be back at full health when his nail grows back which doesn't take long. We have all had nails broken. Shit's weak Clay!

Dude, I played a entire tournament sun burnt and blisters on my fingers to where I could barely swing a bat and throw but I played through it and I was tournament co-MVP because I loved the game and knew I was a key part to my team. I had blisters on my head it was so burnt and it hurt like to hell to pull my hat/helmet on and off and had puss running in my eyes when at bat. What Buchholz is doing is being a pussy and extremely weak!! Curt Schilling can pitch with stitches in his ankle right after surgery but Clay can't pitch through a broken nail Wonder which ones worse?

[browntown653]

This is a ****ing ridiculous thread.

Clay Buchholz is a pussy!!!! I'm sure the Red Sox wanting to be cautious with their best prospect has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DECISION!!

[love_that_reefer]

Jon Lester?

[browntown653]

What about him?

[love_that_reefer]

Originally Posted by browntown653 I'm sure the Red Sox wanting to be cautious with their best prospect has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DECISION!!

Lester? Buchholz has been crap so far this year and its not because of a boo boo.

[HollywoodLeo]

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer Is that a joke? No one mentioned it so yes there has to be a report about it to make me believe it. Since there was not one, I don't believe it and have to think this is very recent!! A report on a broken nail is as close to a fact you can get.

I didn't ask if there had to be a report in order for you to believe it, I asked if there had to be a report in order for it to have been fact.

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer I would rather have my "star" pitcher (which he's not) out there pitching every fifth day unless its something serious. He has four days to get used to it. Heal? They grow back! Put a tight band-aid on it!! Have to learn to pitch through pain! He'll be back at full health when his nail grows back which doesn't take long. We have all had nails broken. Shit's weak Clay!

You'd rather have him pitching every day even if he won't be half as effective because of an injury, however minor, to one of the two key fingers on his pitching hand?

And quit with the band-aid retorts because a band-aid will not make him pitch any better.

Of course they grow back (!!!) that's what the time could be used for?

And why is it neccesary to pitch through pain if he doesn't have to?

It'd be different if it were the playoffs, then you have an argument. But why let a minor injury linger just to prove how manly you are if you don't have to?

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer Dude, I played a entire tournament sun burnt and blisters on my fingers to where I could barely swing a bat and throw but I played through it and I was tournament co-MVP because I loved the game and knew I was a key part to my team. I had blisters on my head it was so burnt and it hurt like to hell to pull my hat/helmet on and off and had puss running in my eyes when at bat. What Buchholz is doing is being a pussy and extremely weak!! Curt Schilling can pitch with stitches in his ankle right after surgery but Clay can't pitch through a broken nail Wonder which ones worse?

Good for you.

Which major league team were you playing for?

[love_that_reefer]

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo I didn't ask if there had to be a report in order for you to believe it, I asked if there had to be a report in order for it to have been fact.

There would have to be a report for your poor excuse to hold water. There isn't one so it doesn't.

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo You'd rather have him pitching every day even if he won't be half as effective because of an injury, however minor, to one of the two key fingers on his pitching hand?

No, every fifth day like he's scheduled to.

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo And quit with the band-aid retorts because a band-aid will not make him pitch any better. Of course they grow back (!!!) that's what the time could be used for? And why is it neccesary to pitch through pain if he doesn't have to?

Band-aids do help!! Obviously you never had a broken fingernail then fi you don't know that.

The nail is going to grow back regardless!

You are being a team player and making yourself mentally tough. Every pitcher does it.

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo It'd be different if it were the playoffs, then you have an argument. But why let a minor injury linger just to prove how manly you are if you don't have to?

Sorry but the argument is still valid. Point is he pitched through his pain, got through it and was successful. How is it lingering? Please explain how a nail is just going to stop growing back because of someone throwing a baseball??

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo Good for you. Which major league team were you playing for?

Cute. Its just too bad a tore my shoulder apart. You know, a real injury.

Your man card has been revoked

[HollywoodLeo]

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer There would have to be a report for your poor excuse to hold water. There isn't one so it doesn't.

So you're saying it's beyond the realm of possibilities for him to have had the broken fingernail, played through it for two games without telling anyone, and then after realizing how bad it was affecting his game decided it was time to go on the DL?

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer No, every fifth day like he's scheduled to.

How about answering the actual question instead of dodging it with technicalities?

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer Band-aids do help!! Obviously you never had a broken fingernail then fi you don't know that.

Actually I have had broken a finger nail. That's why I know a silly band-aid over it wouldn't have kept it from bothering me.

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer The nail is going to grow back regardless!

What's your point? Does the fact that the nail grows back negate the possibility that it could affect Clay's ability to pitch effectively?

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer You are being a team player and making yourself mentally tough. Every pitcher does it.

Does being a "team player" include hiding an injury that affects your ability to perform well just so you can keep playing?

I don't know much about Clay's specific case (of course, I'm not the one pretending to) but if it was affecting his ability to pitch, then by all means he should miss starts until it grows back and heals.

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer Sorry but the argument is still valid. Point is he pitched through his pain, got through it and was successful. How is it lingering? Please explain how a nail is just going to stop growing back because of someone throwing a baseball??

Valid point, to a degree.

I delved away from the specific case and started arguing the generic concept of going on the DL for minor injuries.

In this specific case he should be healthy no matter what after X amount of time, so the question is, does the issue affect his ability to pitch well enough that you're willing to throw him on the mound when one of your spot starters could perhaps do a better job?

I guess at least you can say he has the balls to pitch through pain!

Originally Posted by love_that_reefer Cute. Its just too bad a tore my shoulder apart. You know, a real injury. Your man card has been revoked

Pussy, you should have played through it.

Philip Rivers played an NFL Football game with no ACL in one of his knees, therefore you should be able to play baseball with a torn shoulder.

[love_that_reefer]

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo So you're saying it's beyond the realm of possibilities for him to have had the broken fingernail, played through it for two games without telling anyone, and then after realizing how bad it was affecting his game decided it was time to go on the DL?

Is out of the realm of possibilty? No, but its not reality. You can;t exactly hide a broken fingernail from the press and since there had been no report it of it, your theory has no merit.