Curt Schilling, Hall of Famer?

[NYgiantsfan5689]

Originally Posted by ljshorty89 He's very close. He made me think for a while. But I think in the end, he falls JUST short. I'm still not 100% sure on my decision, haha, but I mean, he could go either way.

That's pretty much the way I felt about mine too

[ljshorty89]

His K's are there...his wins aren't. His ERA is very good, but not outstanding. I mean, his world series wins are big....and it's definitely one of those borderline cases....maybe I'd give it to him...I just don't know.

[HollywoodLeo]

Originally Posted by DirtyKash If you have to ask whether a person is a HOFer or not, then he probably isn't. So no.

So, despite your yes vote in the 20-0 shutout, you don't think John Smoltz is a hall of famer?

http://www.strike3forums.com/forums/...ltz-hofer.html

[HollywoodLeo]

Originally Posted by ljshorty89 His K's are there...his wins aren't. His ERA is very good, but not outstanding. I mean, his world series wins are big....and it's definitely one of those borderline cases....maybe I'd give it to him...I just don't know.

Post season success, he has a sub 3.50 career ERA, and he has the 3000 Ks

The only thing he's lacking is one of the most overrated stats in sports....the Ws for a baseball pitcher.

[ljshorty89]

I mean...the more I think about it, I'd probably put him in.....either way, it is very close.

[DirtyKash]

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo So, despite your yes vote in the 20-0 shutout, you don't think John Smoltz is a hall of famer? http://www.strike3forums.com/forums/...ltz-hofer.html

Huh? It wasn't me who asked about Smoltz. And my first reply was even "first ballot no question".

[HollywoodLeo]

Originally Posted by DirtyKash Huh? It wasn't me who asked about Smoltz. And my first reply was even "first ballot no question".

Not the point.

You said "if you had to ask" and someone had to ask.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Lance324 Nope. I already feel the Hall of Fame is way watered down, although not as bad with pitchers that don't belong as it is with position players that don't belong. But I don't think he should make it even in comparison to those that are already in. Well, that is if you take away the ones the Veteran's Committee voted in. (They are a total joke!!!!)

It's watered down w/ compilers, Schilling is not one of them. he was a truly great pitcher and along w/ Smoltz the best big game starting pitchers of their generation. This man helped end the Yankee dynasty in 2001 then did the unthinkable by leading the Red Sox past the Yankees in '04 en route to their first WS title in 86 years. It may take away a while b/c he's not really liked but he definitely belongs in.

[GiantsFanatic]

I forgot Schilling has 3000 Ks, I missed it in Leo's first post, so I'm changing my vote to a YES. And I agree with his ERA and the crappy teams he was on Philly, I think he's HOF hands down.

[DirtyKash]

Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo Not the point. You said "if you had to ask" and someone had to ask.

See, this is why I try to avoid arguments with you, because you nitpick and it is tiresome.
Clearly, he should not have asked, as the 20-0 vote total attests.
If he asked one about Babe Ruth, I would have no control over it.

[Dry1313]

See, I never understood how people say winning in the regular season and postseason are two different things. You still have to be on good teams to be considered "a great postseason pitcher."

Don Larsen was a ridiculous playoff pitcher.
Schilling has good numbers, but he was only a 5 time all star and never won a Cy Young.

He's a good strikeout pitcher who benefitted from the spotlight of the two successful teams he was on.

Not a HOF in my book. As everyone said during the Larry Walker debate "even if he could've had something, but didn't get it, he doesn't deserve the HOF"

[ljshorty89]

That's actually not true. Larsen was a good playoff pitcher. He had ONE "ridiculous" start. But he was actually very up and down. his overall postseason numbers were 2-3, 2.75 ERA. Good. By no means was he "ridiculous".