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Dry1313 · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-01-2008, 06:27 PM

Young SP Studs? No.

Perez is a very good pitcher, and Maine is solid.

Neither is young enough for me to not count their mediocre performances this year...

cjkalt · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-01-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Beckett has pitched hbis team to TWO World Championships, Santana has been medicore in October. pedro hasn't been a big game pitcher in 10 years, you are absolutely nuts or a huge homer if you'd take the Mets staff over the Sox staff.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Yankee Fan but you hit it right on the nose

Kingdom_of_Zito · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-01-2008, 10:37 PM

For the record, Zito out dueled Santana in the playoffs.

Yes, epic moment for me.

ljshorty89 · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-02-2008, 02:54 AM

nyjunc, I don't think I ever said that I'd take the Mets staff over the Sox staff. If I did, then it certainly was not what I was trying to say. However, I don't think you and CJ are giving the Mets pitchers their due.

cjkalt · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-02-2008, 02:57 AM

Perez and Maine are average, look at their stats compared to the league average...they are slightly better. They will be above average pitchers...but studs...no way

ljshorty89 · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-02-2008, 03:02 AM

It depends on the definition of stud. Both have shown that they have the TALENT to be VERY good. Obviously neither of us can guarantee whether they will or won't reach their maximum potential. Like I said, I don't really think you can predict a guy's future unless you've seen him pitch consistently for an extended period of time.

nyjunc · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-02-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by ljshorty89

nyjunc, I don't think I ever said that I'd take the Mets staff over the Sox staff. If I did, then it certainly was not what I was trying to say. However, I don't think you and CJ are giving the Mets pitchers their due.

I think the Mets have a good staff w/ Santana, Maine, perez & Pelfrey though maine is hurting. You do have to remember they play in a pitchers park and against weaker NL lineups so it inflates their #s a bit. They have been very good but I wouldn't call maine or Perez young studs, Santana falls into that category but the other guys are solid pitchers. Perez could be but for whatever reason he cannot maintain long term consistency.

Foster · **Re: Are Oliver Perez and John Maine Young SP studs -** 08-02-2008, 10:21 AM

If they are 2,3,4 int the rotation they are studs compared to others that get these spots. As a true #1 that will have a long productive career that will face the top talent from other teams, and dominate opponents when they step up to bat, no.

Ahh crap I hit the wrong button, and now there's a vote for just Maine, I may love the state, but not the pitcher in response to the question. My bad.