First Half AL Cy Young

[Lance324]

Originally Posted by bwitty24 Just because Rivera is a closer he gets no love.

NO!!!, Just because he's not deserving he gets no love. The only guy that should be lower on this list than him is Dice-K.

[NYgiantsfan5689]

Originally Posted by Lance324 NO!!!, Just because he's not deserving he gets no love. The only guy that should be lower on this list than him is Dice-K.

explain yourself please

[NYgiantsfan5689]

Originally Posted by Halladay_is_God K-Rod's ERA is only 2.36 (which is 4th among AL Closers with over 20 SV), WHIP is high though at 1.26

o my bad. for some reason i remember him having a higher ERA. either way, Mo's is over a whole Run lower

[ljshorty89]

Agreed, but Mo has also lost a couple of games where he came in with a tie. Yeah, it's not a blow save, but he did BLOW the game itself. I agree with your pressure innings argument to a point, but if a starter goes deep into a game and is tied, and he holds the other team there for the 6th and 7th innings and allows his team to take a lead, at least he played a role in earning a win....the save....his team already took the lead. Basically, he's doing what he's EXPECTED to do. So, yes, Mo is having an EXCELLENT year, but he's not the Cy Young.

[NYgiantsfan5689]

Originally Posted by ljshorty89 Agreed, but Mo has also lost a couple of games where he came in with a tie. Yeah, it's not a blow save, but he did BLOW the game itself. I agree with your pressure innings argument to a point, but if a starter goes deep into a game and is tied, and he holds the other team there for the 6th and 7th innings and allows his team to take a lead, at least he played a role in earning a win....the save....his team already took the lead. Basically, he's doing what he's EXPECTED to do. So, yes, Mo is having an EXCELLENT year, but he's not the Cy Young.

that situation with a starter is different though LJ. A closer is instantly thrust into the pressure situation. a starter has been allowed to pitch for 6 or 7 innings prior, and is probably in a groove. the closer has to have it right out of the gate. that's a whole different mentality and a whole lot more difficult

[ljshorty89]

Idk, it depends. a 3 run lead with one inning to go is a save situation. So, just because it's a save situation doesn't mean it's THAT much pressure. Any major league pitcher should be able to get out of the 9th up 3 runs...

[NYgiantsfan5689]

Originally Posted by ljshorty89 Idk, it depends. a 3 run lead with one inning to go is a save situation. So, just because it's a save situation doesn't mean it's THAT much pressure. Any major league pitcher should be able to get out of the 9th up 3 runs...

exactly LJ. which is why i think Mo's 0.37 ERA in save situations vs. K-Rod's 2.23 ERA is so much more amazing than K-Rod having more saves. because K-Rod comes in with 3 run leads, gives up 1 or 2 runs, and still gets the save. Mo doesn't allow ANY runs.

[ljshorty89]

That's not true. He's LOST more games than K-Rod. Again, I still say Mo is the best closer in the game, but I just don't think he's a Cy Young...I mean, 12 of his saves, Mo came in with a multiple run lead.

[browntown653]

Originally Posted by ljshorty89 I mean, 12 of his saves, Mo came in with a multiple run lead.

The nerve of him!

[Kingdom_of_Zito]

Bias doesn't exist, just like Alf and the Easter Bunny.

If Reefer put Trevor Hoffman on either of the Cy Young polls, he would have gotten Leo's vote.